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ROB 110 HICAP

8th Mar 2006, 14:52

front of that reddish truck got obscured number plate, editor forgot to obscure the rear one... ?
He can't see the correct line to drive either! 'I'll just aim for the deepest steepest bit, is that ok everyone?'

Paul Humphreys

8th Mar 2006, 14:54

DavejDavies

8th Mar 2006, 20:29

Yes its getting a lot worse. The problem is it will take a lot of work to get it right. It needs some work all the way up. But so do a lot of other places. We as volunteers can not fix them all. All I can do is ask the council if they can look into doing some work at he bottom bit.

Paul

The bottom bit is certainly the worst now, when we were last out the Frontera and me 90 nearly went over :eek: :rolleyes:

Shame it was so late when we did it, I wonder how hard that rock is? Bit of light work with a pick one side with the excavated material used to build up the other side could work wonders without making it too tame... As the ground to the side of the rock seems to a slipping away some timber piles and rails will be required to retain?

Is the worst of the damage being caused by water errosion? Now seems to run all the way down the steps, anyone now the original route?

Like you say Paul its a big job :( Bet there is a fine line between getting the Council to repair or them deciding to TRO? Guess the cost of materials would restrict volunteer action?

Paul Humphreys

8th Mar 2006, 20:37

I will try to sort something out later this week.

Paul

LandyV8

13th Mar 2006, 12:35

He can't see the correct line to drive either! 'I'll just aim for the deepest steepest bit, is that ok everyone?' he he these are my pictures. That’s my mate Malcolm in the Surf. He actually lost control there. As you can see the wheels are full lock left. Well he slipped down the rocky section and the tyre bit and pulled the wheels over and put him in that position. We ended up having to pull him back and try a second attempt. Common problem there as I'm sure DaveJDavies will tell you:p

ROB 110 HICAP

13th Mar 2006, 12:48

he he these are my pictures. That’s my mate Malcolm in the Surf. He actually lost control there. As you can see the wheels are full lock left. Well he slipped down the rocky section and the tyre bit and pulled the wheels over and put him in that position. We ended up having to pull him back and try a second attempt. Common problem there as I'm sure DaveJDavies will tell you:p
I was only being cocky! Not been there and I'd probably **** it up too. Has Dave been back for a rollover bonus?lol

Geobloke

13th Mar 2006, 13:03

I was only being cocky! Not been there and I'd probably **** it up too. Has Dave been back for a rollover bonus?lol

Dave has been back for take 2 of the steps and he made it! Although the next bump down he lifted the rear left wheel and started tipping again! Trouble with a truck cab, no weight in the back!! :rolleyes:

DavejDavies

13th Mar 2006, 13:17

Dave has been back for take 2 of the steps and he made it! Although the next bump down he lifted the rear left wheel and started tipping again! Trouble with a truck cab, no weight in the back!! :rolleyes:

Very true, good job i had you as ballast :D

Serously though the second bit has got worst quickly since i first saw it last December, bank just seems to be slidding away :rolleyes:

DavejDavies

13th Mar 2006, 13:37

I was only being cocky! Not been there and I'd probably **** it up too. Has Dave been back for a rollover bonus?lol

:D :D

A Hicap might be usful getting material there if it gets repaired so we could see how you get on :)

You'd do it no problem with the extra wheelbase length

Geobloke

13th Mar 2006, 13:48

You'd do it no problem with the extra wheelbase length

Lol true but it isn't the wheelbase that is steering the thing is it!!! :D ;)

NewBloke

13th Mar 2006, 15:08

Don't reckon I'd have been stood where the chap in the bobble hat was in the 9th pic! :eek:

ROB 110 HICAP

13th Mar 2006, 15:11

:D :D
You'd do it no problem with the extra length
Thats what all the girls say!

LandyV8

13th Mar 2006, 15:47

Don't reckon I'd have been stood where the chap in the bobble hat was in the 9th pic! :eek: :eek: :eek: thats my Girlfriend you are talking about!!! she does have my hat and coat on tho he he

Geobloke

13th Mar 2006, 16:02

:eek: :eek: thats my Girlfriend you are talking about!!! she does have my hat and coat on tho he he

LMAO ******! :rolleyes: :D Newbloke look again, note slim legs, girly looking face and curve of chest just down from shoulder!!!!

Oh dear!! You gonna tell her Lewis?!?!? :eek:

LandyV8

13th Mar 2006, 16:06

Oh dear!! You gonna tell her Lewis?!?!? :eek:Eak... I think ill let this one slide. She may take offence he he

Geobloke

13th Mar 2006, 16:22

Eak... I think ill let this one slide. She may take offence he he

Lol either that or you could tell her and then give her the chance to get revenge on Newbloke!!! Anyone got a photo of him?!?!?!?! :D

NewBloke

13th Mar 2006, 16:48

Oi! I sense a conspiracy! :o

:blush: :blush: and apologies btw, an honest mistake that any deranged lunatic could have made

jjsaul

13th Mar 2006, 18:56

Yer really dropped yourself in it now havnt ya :p

bobzilla7

14th Mar 2006, 17:42

What's the grid ref for this - been planning a trip to north Wales (if that's where it is)?

Has anyone driven up it?

Paul Humphreys

14th Mar 2006, 17:56

sj 171 308 is where you want to aim for. Just watch out for the bottom bit. If you need a guide let me know as I am out most weekends.

Paul

bobzilla7

14th Mar 2006, 18:27

I might just take you up on that Paul. Thanks

LandyV8

14th Mar 2006, 19:38

What's the grid ref for this - been planning a trip to north Wales (if that's where it is)?

Has anyone driven up it?
I have driven up it. It’s not too bad going up as long as you keep going. The rocks can be quite slipy when wet. I wouldn’t recommend going alone if you have never driven it. Guidance is needed. Also if you do drive up, the top of the track is deeply rutted so I would recommend good tyres too.

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 21:19

Yep i've driven up when i've been laning with lewis. Not too difficult but a pair of eyes outside the vehicle is very handy.

Oh and don't stop :p

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 21:24

Yep i've driven up when i've been laning with lewis. Not too difficult but a pair of eyes outside the vehicle is very handy.

Oh and don't stop :p

Wouldn't mind trying it going up one day :)

Might be less likely to roll and if it does at least I'll get the otherside of the truck to match :rolleyes:

LandyV8

14th Mar 2006, 21:25

Oh and don't stop :p unless you come across a convoy coming down that will not back up:D

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 21:43

unless you come across a convoy coming down that will not back up:D

Now that would not be nice :eek: :rolleyes:

Have you ever had it happen?

LandyV8

14th Mar 2006, 21:52

Now that would not be nice :eek: :rolleyes:

Have you ever had it happen? Yes :eek: We had 3 in our convoy and we didn’t fancy reversing down the steps... so we had to pull over to the left, right on the edge... no thanks, kiss my ass or nothing. They just watched us struggle to get to the side and then drove past. I think James has Pics

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 21:52

Now that would not be nice :eek: :rolleyes:

Have you ever had it happen?

Errr...that would be why he mentioned it :p

Yes it did happen....scary moment trying to get the 110 up here...those of you who have been will know how big that drop off the other side is :eek:

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 21:59

Errr...that would be why he mentioned it :p:
:p :p

Yes it did happen....scary moment trying to get the 110 up here...those of you who have been will know how big that drop off the other side is :eek:

Looks - interesting parking :eek:

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 22:32

:p :p

Looks - interesting parking :eek:

was quite scary parking up there, you have to climb that really steep bank so you're looking straight at the sky knowing theres a huge drop somewhere in front of you.

the bank is as high as the tyres (235/85) as well, which makes it difficult to get up. 2 waffle boards and a few people applying weight to the side were required :rolleyes:

Paul Humphreys

14th Mar 2006, 22:35

I am afraid I would have not parked there. I would have stoped untill they backed up. Its not worth the risk of going over.

Paul

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 22:39

Was there more of them?

Could they have gone backwards or were they just not interested

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 23:04

Was there more of them?

Could they have gone backwards or were they just not interested

There was more of them....but as far as i am aware you have right of way going uphill.

They were just selfish (and bigger than us) so we didnt argue! :eek:

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 23:05

I am afraid I would have not parked there. I would have stoped untill they backed up. Its not worth the risk of going over.

Paul

I only went there in the end as i had 2 people doing a damn good job of guiding me (lewis + neil).

conkers

14th Mar 2006, 23:19

There was more of them....but as far as i am aware you have right of way going uphill.

They were just selfish (and bigger than us) so we didnt argue! :eek:

were these sods landy folk never known landy drivers to be anything other than corteous helpful and very sociable ive always chatted to landy drivers coming the other way jap crap drivers are usually ok too

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 23:20

There was more of them....but as far as i am aware you have right of way going uphill.

They were just selfish (and bigger than us) so we didnt argue! :eek:

Agree about RoW coming up hill but depending how far down they were, backing up could have been a nightmare from them as well but from what Lewis said, it sound like they had an attitude problem :(

I blame the council - should put traffic lights up :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 23:22

were these sods landy folk never known landy drivers to be anything other than corteous helpful and very sociable ive always chatted to landy drivers coming the other way jap crap drivers are usually ok too

Got to agree, never meet a Landy owner who wasn't helpful and friendly but there must be exceptions :(

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 23:27

conkers

14th Mar 2006, 23:29

Agree about RoW coming up hill but depending how far down they were, backing up could have been a nightmare from them as well but from what Lewis said, it sound like they had an attitude problem :(

I blame the council - should put traffic lights up :rolleyes: :rolleyes: LMAO:LAA:

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 23:34

they had a collection ranging from a S2/3 (cant remember which), to standard'ish disco's to bobbed rangies.

we were about half way, but neither of our 110's would have made it back down the big step in reverse. (at least not without chance of some nasty damage :eek: )

If you were over the big step they should have backed up, sounds like there was a few of them, was it one of the commercial outfits?

jjsaul

14th Mar 2006, 23:35

If you were over the big step they should have backed up, sounds like there was a few of them, was it one of the commercial outfits?

dont think so. it was one of the regional clubs.

DavejDavies

14th Mar 2006, 23:41

dont think so. it was one of the regional clubs.

Local lane for local Land Rovers?

Now you're a member of CRAG when you meet a convoy coming the other way you need to hand out leaflets and get them to join up :D

Paul is very good at it :D :D

jjsaul

15th Mar 2006, 00:00

Local lane for local Land Rovers?

Now you're a member of CRAG when you meet a convoy coming the other way you need to hand out leaflets and get them to join up :D

Paul is very good at it :D :D

Not especially local but not a million miles away.

I need some CRAG leaflets then i probably will start handing them out. I give out LRUK flyers everytime i stop and talk to LR owners!

steve@offroadin

15th Mar 2006, 08:52

Pictures of the same spot in jan/feb 2004, going up is much easier, managed it in a standard Grand Vitara on ATs, I havent been up there for about a year, but I thought it was easier to drive the last time I was there

Paul Humphreys

15th Mar 2006, 10:02

As others and my self have said, it is getting worse.

Paul

DavejDavies

15th Mar 2006, 13:46

As others and my self have said, it is getting worse.

Paul

I blame the water erosion, must be an easy way to divert it back to its oringinal path?

Paul Humphreys

15th Mar 2006, 14:06

Yes Dave its the water that is doing the damage. We will be looking at putting some Grips in and some work at the bottom.

Paul

LandyV8

15th Mar 2006, 14:07

Yes Dave its the water that is doing the damage. We will be looking at putting some Grips in and some work at the bottom.

Paullet us know when you intend to do the work and ill be happy to help

Paul Humphreys

15th Mar 2006, 14:09

Thanks Lewis, we will be going up there in the next few weeks to work out what to do.

Paul

DavejDavies

15th Mar 2006, 20:29

Thanks Lewis, we will be going up there in the next few weeks to work out what to do.

Paul

Be happy to help too Paul

Got a personal connection with this lane :rolleyes:

jjsaul

15th Mar 2006, 20:37

yep we'll come and lend a couple of hands if we're free :)

Geobloke

16th Mar 2006, 00:30

Be happy to help too Paul

Got a personal connection with this lane :rolleyes:

Lol you should errect a plaque!!! ;)

DavejDavies

16th Mar 2006, 03:15

Lol you should errect a plaque!!! ;)

Good idea :D :D

ROB 110 HICAP

16th Mar 2006, 12:29

Lol you should errect a plaque!!! ;)
Armco barrier might be more useful!

Geobloke

16th Mar 2006, 13:04

Armco barrier might be more useful!

Lol with yellow and black chevrons painted on it too!! :D

DavejDavies

16th Mar 2006, 13:22

Lol with yellow and black chevrons painted on it too!! :D

And a 'NO ROLLING' sign :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Geobloke

16th Mar 2006, 13:28

And a 'NO ROLLING' sign :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lol nah! "DaveD was ere 2005" ;)

DavejDavies

16th Mar 2006, 13:30

Lol nah! "DaveD was ere 2005" ;)

Swear I could still see the dents and blue paint on the rocks :rolleyes:

Strange Rover

19th Mar 2006, 21:40

DavejDavies

20th Mar 2006, 13:25

last time I went down there thought I was going to roll for sure, I'm a bit twitchy these days !!

Any way let me know when you need a hand I have my latest Disco nearly ready to go so will be happy to help make it safer ! one day some one will go over and that will lead to road closed !

Totally agree both points - once you roll once (or twice) you're very aware that the car can go over again :rolleyes:

Also if anything nasty does ever happen the road will be closed for ever...

ROB 110 HICAP

20th Mar 2006, 15:16

Totally agree both points - once you roll once (or twice) you're very aware that the car can go over again :rolleyes:

Also if anything nasty does ever happen the road will be closed for ever...
Which is what happened to Grwynne Fawr in the Brecon Beacons, bikes only now.

DavejDavies

20th Mar 2006, 22:54

Seems to be lots of 'love' for this lane, if something could be planned there seems to be plenty who would help and that's just this forum...

Geobloke

21st Mar 2006, 00:52

Which is what happened to Grwynne Fawr in the Brecon Beacons, bikes only now.

All the more reason to get this one SAFE again!

DavejDavies

30th Mar 2006, 23:32

The problems with this lane were mentioned at Tuesday nights CRAG regional meeting.

I am sure Dave Rogers (CRAG chairman) said Wrexham Council were looking at doing some work in the near future including concrete to the big step and taking a pecker to the lump of rock lower down which is sending people over to the side and IMHO is now the biggest risk ...

The other thing that was discussed was just how popular this lane had become due to its challenging condition, especially when going up. The route is now perhaps more fit for an extreme site rather than a public highway...

Strange Rover

31st Mar 2006, 16:39

May I ask what CRAG is ?

thanks

Geobloke

31st Mar 2006, 16:54

May I ask what CRAG is ?

thanks

Alternative to Glass, set up by Paul Humphries! Based in Oswestry I think.

Paul Humphreys

31st Mar 2006, 17:30

Alternative to Glass, set up by Paul Humphries! Based in Oswestry I think.

I help to set it up, not on my own. Have a look at www.crag-uk.org (http://www.crag-uk.org)

Paul

DavejDavies

31st Mar 2006, 19:00

May I ask what CRAG is ?

thanks

You can try out the web site but to really find out what CRAG is you need to go on one of the days out or lane clearances. I did and was so impressed I joined up but it's not complusary :D

Attended my first regional meeting Tuesday, highly recommend CRAG to anyone interest in laning/off road issues

bobzilla7

31st Mar 2006, 21:48

CRAG is similar to GLASS, but a politcal offshoot. Differences of opinion maybe - I try not to get too involved these days.

I've always been of the opinion that we need one user group dedicated to support vehicular rights of way and that, in my opinion, is GLASS, even if CRAG has its heart in the right place.

In RoW matters we are the underdog and we need to unite which was why I pushed for GLASS (previously GLOW) so very hard in the first place as there was no equivalent apart from the TRF.

CRAG has the right ideas and so does GLASS, but really we need to be under one umbrella. Oh, I'm rambling, however if you drive vehicular RoW you should (MUST) be a member of a group that supports your pastime.

You must make your choice as to which group you wish to be a member of. I will always be of the opinion that there should only be one user group supporting vehicular rights of way due to the fact we are such a minority group.

If you love green laning then join GLASS. Or CRAG.
It's good to have a choice (sometimes).

Stephen

31st Mar 2006, 21:56

If you love green laning then join GLASS. Or CRAG.

or both ?

DavejDavies

31st Mar 2006, 22:21

As bobzilla7 says, the main thing anyone off roading should do is join a club, whether its GLASS, CRAG, the local Land Rover Club or the TRF for bikers.

I am still new to all this and to anyone else planning on getting into green laning I would say find out who does what in your area, if you are lucky enough to have a choice try them all to see what's best for you then join up and have fun.

There's enough people trying to stop what we do, by joining any group and putting something back by the way of lane clearances etc we can go someway to offset the harm done by the reckless minority who tear up the countryside...

bobzilla7

1st Apr 2006, 08:01

or both ?

Wouldn't be a bad thing!

DavejDavies

21st Apr 2006, 11:51

As some of us will be going up the steps Sunday I have been doing a bit of research into retaining sturctures.

Got a potentially interesting, cheapish solution which will just require a bit of labour :rolleyes: