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Golly
20th Oct 2005, 14:36
This from The TRF web site:

Trail Riders Fellowship (TRF) members listened with incredulity to the third reading of the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Bill in the Commons last night. At a stroke the Government have effectively criminalised the active recreation of thousands of law abiding TRF members by removing vehicular rights from green lanes used by vehicles for a hundred years. What will this urban perspective Government ban next? Shooting is already in their sights - fishermen be warned.

The new law bans all recreational vehicles, including trail bikes and 4x4's, from all rights-of-way (RoW) not already recorded on the definitive map as Byway Open to all Traffic (BOAT). In addition the law gives National Park Authorities the power to impose Traffic Regulation Orders (TRO) on byways in National Parks. The law will in effect, ban trail bikes and other vehicles from the majority of unsurfaced roads that they have peacefully explored since the invention of the internal combustion engine at the turn of the last century. The remaining legal byways are so few and far between, that there will be no viable way of linking them together to make a day trip. The result will be that bikes and 4x4's drive up and down the same route rather than making one brief passage in a day or even week. This overuse will lead to further closures and more concentration in honey-pot areas. Only 5% of trails allowed vehicles in the first place. Walkers were amply served by 95% of RoW which were already vehicle free and also the new Right-to-Roam but this was not enough it seems - their militant leaders want it all to themselves.

Anti-vehicle pressure groups, including the Ramblers will no doubt be delighted at this perceived victory but their celebrations may well be short lived. If they think they have eliminated trail bikes and other vehicles from RoW they are wrong. This new law will eliminate all legal and law abiding citizens and their vehicles but the illegal 'scramblers' and yobs will be unaffected by the new legislation. They are already illegal and will no doubt continue to use their untaxed, uninsured, untested vehicles but without the limits that legal TRF members and other governing bodies imposed by the presence of their members in the countryside. The TRF foresee an expansion in illegal use as legal outlets are removed. Problems such as binge drinking may be provided with additional resources it seems as licensing laws are extended yet peaceful trail riding outlawed. How much will it all cost? Loss of business and the enforcement by an already stretched police force battling to deal with serious crime and terrorism. Will the police receive new revenue or will they divert precious resource to chase the naughty boys created by the failure to acknowledge a legitimate recreation?

The TRF worked closely with the Government and Defra at all stages of the consultation and drafting process of this legislation. Despite assurances that the interests of legal trail riders would not be unduly prejudiced, the Government has seen fit to betray the trust of the TRF by its dishonesty, misrepresentation and lack of integrity. This despite the government's own research paid for by tax payers that vindicated the TRF position. The TRF will now, in the light of Government behaviour, review their policy of cooperation and would warn other minority interest groups not to trust or cooperate beyond their legal duty with Government departments in the future. They may well just hasten their own demise. Who will be targeted next by vociferous negative campaigning groups - motorsport enthusiasts, mountain bikers, even horse riders? Watch out!

graham
20th Oct 2005, 15:05
I read that the other day makes depressing reading :(

Have been on the GLASS forum I don't really know what they are doing about it, or if indeed this is the end.

As has been said all minority pass times / hobbies will be taken out one at a time.

Just remember next time your voting, but then again there all the same. :(

Wish we could start a Freedom Party, free from this govenment nanny state and EEC over regulation.

ROB 110 HICAP
20th Oct 2005, 15:32
It is truly curtains for our hobby indeed. Byways and UCRs are too few to be enough and National Parks will be happy to permanently TRO everything in sight.

toppa
20th Oct 2005, 15:35
When they do that record thingy next year for 4x4, get them all to park outside paliment as a protest.. see how that helps traffic flo..

Cheers

Cerberus
20th Oct 2005, 17:09
Could someone please explain the implications of this in laymans terms? It is my understanding that at present, I can still drive the green lanes I use at the moment, e.g. Stanage edge etc. However, there is a chance that these lanes will become illegal to use in the future.

This particular question is aimed primarily at the Derbyshire members: Can I still drive the lanes we used on the recent trips? Or will the only off roading I will be able to do, be confined to Hartington Quarry and other organised events?

I am somewhat confused and severely worried. The primary reason that I got into Landrovers in the first place was to get out there and explore the lanes of Derbyshire. I was planning to go for a run at the end of the month. Will I still be able to do this?

timbott
20th Oct 2005, 18:39
The primary reason that I got into Landrovers in the first place was to get out there and explore the lanes of Derbyshire.


Well, like you Dave, I am a little confused by it all. I thought the business a couple of years ago had the subject clarified but now I'm not so sure, the trouble is these clever legally minded political types can run rings around simple chaps like me:(


Oh well, not much point owning a Land Rover if they close the lanes as off roading for the sake of it bores me to tears:sobbing:


cheers, Tim

graham
20th Oct 2005, 19:36
Been around some of the forums we are not on our own, confused :rolleyes:

It seems that the NERC bill has been brought about because of new claims for BOATs etc they are going to null all claims back dated to last May. Which means that we can drive byways and some UCRs but further powers are been given to NPAs to TRO any byways.

If anyone can put things better please do cos i'm still confused.

Have asked GLASS to give some direction on what to do next.

manthing
20th Oct 2005, 23:03
What happened to the CRoW act?

"The Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 set a deadline of 1 January 2026 after which it will not be possible to apply for footpaths and bridleways, or higher rights, to be included onto the definitive map based on historical documentary evidence (historical is classed as pre 1949)."

now since this act became a legal document in I guess 2000, this sets a date in Law for all rights of acces to be claimed.

now I am really :confused: :rolleyes: ...

ROB 110 HICAP
21st Oct 2005, 11:37
What happened to the CRoW act?
"The Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000 set a deadline of 1 January 2026 after which it will not be possible to apply for footpaths and bridleways, or higher rights, to be included onto the definitive map based on historical documentary evidence (historical is classed as pre 1949)."
now since this act became a legal document in I guess 2000, this sets a date in Law for all rights of acces to be claimed.
now I am really :confused: :rolleyes: ...

I think the government and CROW gave councils til 2026 to do thisand review RUPPs, then they said thats too long and revoked it to about 18months, 18months ago. I think that is why we now have NERC. Councils didn't have time/money/resources/willpower to check the RUPP status so tended to downgrade to bridleway rather than upgrade to BOAT.

Does that help? No I thought not!