need a 2.5 N/A for a 110

[olo]

right, a friend of mine just found his engine block "cracked" (literally). rear cylinder wasn't picking up oil and oil was being dumped in radiator (or somethin of the sort).

basically he's looking to replace his 2.5 N/A with another one like it or possibly a TDI 200 (depends on difference in price). anybody know bout any good deals?

[tdi200]

Whats the budget? a 2.5 n/a will cost 150 - 250, a tdi200, ex disco will cost 900 - 1000, ex defender more! if you are lucky to find one.

Go to Blitz he has all the engines available. (except def 200tdi)

Grem

[olo]

dunno his budget to be honest grem, he just asked me if i know a good priced 2.5 N/A and i said i'll ask here for him.

oki will tell him to give blitz a try.

[cil111]

somebody has a Turbo Diesel for sale on the awdc forum... i think it was sauver

tell him to have a check... u do not need to be a member to view the sell / buy in the forum

[olo]

oki wicked cill, wots the site's URL? awdcmalta.com?

[belti90]

Hi,

The URL is http://www.awdc-malta.com/forum/

[cil111]

http://www.awdc-malta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=477

the thread in question!!!

[olo]

cheers tnx loads, will forward him the URL.

thanks loads for your help guys, very well appriciated :)

[joe019]

If he does not want a tdi by all means, I 'd suggest he goes for a TD. It is a straight fit if he manages to get its radiator with it. It gives a good deal of power, not as much as a TDI but he'll be more than happy with it.

I am talking from experience here. a couple of months ago I changed my 2.5 Na for a TD.

Regards
Joseph

cheers tnx loads, will forward him the URL.

thanks loads for your help guys, very well appriciated :)

[olo]

yea he finally bought a 2.5TD from blitz, still has to fit it in though

[dborg01]

Olo, how much did he get it, if I may ask?

[olo]

Lm250 he said, it had just been takin off from some vechile that was going to be fitted with a v8

[Reiny]

Olo, do you know if this guy is going to recondition the engine? I would if I were him.

[olo]

doubt it as his LR is basically used for farming and stone carrying. they love the LR for wot it does etc. not coz they're LR fanatics. but i'll let him know that its best to recondition it just the same :)

[joe019]

depends on the budget. and at the end of the day is it worth spending all that money on a TD when TDI200s with plenty of life in them are selling under lm1000?


Olo, do you know if this guy is going to recondition the engine? I would if I were him.

[theBaptist]

well 25% of the price is still a MASSIVE difference :rolleyes:

[cil111]

depends on the budget. and at the end of the day is it worth spending all that money on a TD when TDI200s with plenty of life in them are selling under lm1000?

hmm plenty of life ma nafx kemm ta.. 200's are at least 12 or 13 years old.. forgot how much exactly... so they will have been used and abused... unless u know the history of the engine that is !!!1

[olo]

hmm plenty of life ma nafx kemm ta.. 200's are at least 12 or 13 years old.. forgot how much exactly... so they will have been used and abused... unless u know the history of the engine that is !!!1
well mine is a 300 and its been abused with loads of towing etc. in the past and its a 96 model, theirfore a 200 would by nature i guess have seen much worse days then my 300. so i agree with u here cil

[nighthawk]

I believe a tdi (be it 200 or 300) can easily give another 20 years service if only it's given a bit of tender loving care and attention. And by that I don't mean baby-driving it. Just some logical consideration such as regular service intervals (let's face it... 6000 miles or 6 months is way too long for it's own good... 4000 miles or 4 months is more like it) and maybe even a scheduled overhaul for it's 15th birthday (mine will get it for sure!). I know that will bump up the price by a few hundred pounds but I believe it's worth it

[olo]

if u afford it yea its worth it, i wish i can afford wot u gonna do. however, u know my current situation lol

[cil111]

Dennis i agree with you re the TLC.. but what about what has happened before one buys it...


I like 200's myself but the law of probabilities says that you are more likely to end up buying a junked up 200 than a 300 simply because they would have been used and abused more... if you want a 200 and overhaul it then it is another story.. hekk tigi gdida...

[dborg01]

Looks like we're back on the topic of engines here.......


I just don't agree with one thing with you Cil.....it's not how old it is but how many miles it has clocked......I would still prefer a 200 with 73K rather than a 300 with 140K....and this is something I've encountered a couple of times when checking out on engines!! Looks like that when our dealers bring in 200s they bring ones with low mileage but with 300s they don't really care as they will still sell!

I was of the idea of re-conditioning a TD unit myself if I can get one at about LM150 as the price for such overhaul would easily go up to LM700 (excluding engine price) ... but at the moment don't really know how worth it is on diesel........

[theBaptist]

number of km/miles covered is also very opaque and open to discussion.

every engine is an individual case irrespective of number of miles covered. i dont know much about landy engines but have been active on car engines for around 25yrs - it all depends on HOW the car was driven / HOW the engine was cared for and also on revs - i'd rather have an engine that covered 100,000km in fifth gear on motorways at around 2,500rpm than another that covered say 40,000km mostly on 2nd or 3rd at around 5,000rpm.

it also depends a LOT on the individual driver's style.

in effect mileage is just a statistic - it is not an indication of an engine's condition.

buying an engine solely from km covered is ******** imo.

[LEW153]

I agree with you that it all boils down to how much well cared after the engine was. If the engine has 40,000 miles, 20,000 miles of which were spent in a quarry running without an air cleaner, I would prefer a well looked after engine with 100,000 miles on clock.


As regards to the 2.5TD engine, wasn't it one of the engines to avoid? I heard it from a couple of sources that one should opt for a 2.5NA or tdi200 as the 2.5TD was not a good engine. I might be wrong on this one.

[theBaptist]

As regards to the 2.5TD engine, wasn't it one of the engines to avoid?


seems the TD engines were not able to stand 'abuse' like the 2.25 or 2.5NA.

if taken care of and driven 'sensibly' they are still good engines.

i stand to be corrected.

[cil111]

Dborg... tell me how one can know the mileage of an engine min ma l art biex niftehmu.. ok you might trust the person but again the law of probs will tell you that it is safer to get a 300 than a 200... nevertheless i know of people who bought both a 200 and a 300 and had problems, like i know of people who bought both engines and did not have...


My range has about 150K miles... but i have a full service history and it was a company car.. motorway miles only.. I much rather prefer this to an engine with dubious history and a declared mileage of 50K miles..

[dborg01]

Well....Cil.....I didn't want to mean that I'd just judge on the mileage. I said that because the topic was mileage.


If I had to buy an engine I'd go through the service history first and foremost, then mileage, then get it working for a couple of minutes even if it's on the floor. After that it's down to luck!!

My upgrade opinion in view of what I can afford is a TD with a later overhaul and fitting of intercooler.
My upgrade with regards to opinion is a 200TDi ... don't ask why it's useless...I have a couple of views why it's like that :p. Later on I'd overhaul it and upgrade the intercooler.
My upgrade with regards to sensibility is a 300TDi....still in production and likely to remain in production in Brasil
My upgrade with regards to practicality and problems to come.....V8 3.9EFi with LPG:D

[landymaniac]

It' better if you go to the mentality hospital before and have a check up:D :D . you've been saying that you are going to change that 2.5 already for 4 years ehhhh. And you will not change it before it explodes and is extremely expensive to be repared:rolleyes:

in my opinion if you buy an engine off the floor all you need is luck and guarantee from the owner.

[dborg01]

you've been saying that you are going to change that 2.5 already for 4 years ehhhh. :rolleyes:


It's because I've always been thinking I'll win the Super 5:D

The thing is that I do want more power but on the other hand my engine is more than reliable! :rolleyes:

Anyway, when a good deal comes along I'll make the change :p

[theBaptist]

............ in the meantime tibqa rasek l-isfel taht il bonnet gharkupptejk fuq il mudguard u sormok biss jidher ippupat il fuq bhal ma kont Tuesday evening ! :D

[dborg01]

Aw sabih, mela rajtni qisni farfett illejl......rasi l-isfel:D


Ijwa, kont qed naqla l-injectors biex nitfalhom sett washers godda ghax darba kont qlajthom u wzajt l-washers l-antiki.....issa giet naqra ahjar il-magna:rolleyes:

[Reiny]

Biex ma tbatix int u tahdem b'rasek taht il-bonnet, uza bicca banketta zghira. Jien ghamilt wahda bil-hollow section u ma nghidlekx kemm iffrankajt qtugh ta' laham u kliem hazin.

[dborg01]

Rein, il-magna tieghi ma tiehux spazju u sidha l-anqas:D ........jien inpoggi bil-qeda hdejha jew quddiemha biex nahdem:p

Kieku mill-genb mhux banketta zghira irrid imma sellun zghir.....:D

[olo]

reason y dborg wont change the engine i think is coz he always passed from where dennis would pass! although dennis is with the 300

[theBaptist]

makes no difference Olo me thinks, well it does in terms of power ovvja but not in "where you can pass from" ....

all you need to do is come to some events and see Baskal, his weak point of course are the normal streets between the offroad bits - hemm jaqa lura :D

[nighthawk]

Exactly. And after all remember Daniel was my teacher... so it's more like I go where he goes rather than vice versa heh. Insomma issa my landy took a bit of a break due to continuous problems. First front propshaft, then rear brakes, then water pump, then overheating on hills and hard driving. Now got a recored rad and squeaky clean intercooler and all is fine... fingers crossed!!!!!! Cos I'm going broke thanks to this thing!

Referring to the mileage thing. My 300tdi has 145000 miles clocked now and it's still the only thing on the landy that hasn't given me any problem at all even though it's got tweaked fueling and turbo (so technically more ... stressed). I do religiously service it regularly though. Much more regularly than the 6000 miles the manual states.

[olo]

yea i know baskal from the days when i used to ride along with nighthawk :p and his navigator sonny that ends up seein his life in flashbacks each time baskal decides to do one of his fancy manouvers :p

[tdi200]

Wait till you get to a good hill or a long muddy strech, then you will curse the small engines in landrovers. When you try some real obstacles you will realise how underpowered the old rover engines are.

Grem

[landymaniac]

mhux taqlala l hara jew??:D

[cil111]

hmm tant trid taqlala hara illi tahra tahtek int ukoll u xorta ma titlax :) :D

[landymaniac]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAA nice one cill!:D :p

[dborg01]

Wait till you get to a good hill or a long muddy strech, then you will curse the small engines in landrovers. When you try some real obstacles you will realise how underpowered the old rover engines are.

Grem

.......and since TDi and 'larger' engines are now so abundant I'll just throw my rope:D

[tdi200]

Yeah sure, thats if you can keep up with them:D:D

Grem

[Reiny]

Dennis, what did you clean your intercooler with?

[theBaptist]

Jambol :D

[nighthawk]

Dennis, what did you clean your intercooler with?
I cleaned mine with white spirit. I know it's not exactly economical but that was the only thing i had at hand on a public holiday. If I would do it again I'd use diesel. Just fill a basin with diesel and dunk the thing in it and leave it there for a few minutes. Then get the thing out and shake like crazy till you're soaked in the stuff. Then drain it.. it will be all black with oil... repeat till clear diesel emerges after shaking. Then leave to dry for a day or two. Should be squeaky clean.

Can't say I noticed any massive difference, but at least now I know it's clean.

[Kilin]

hello good fellows.....

Well, if one of you is going to buy an engine off the floor I would say be very careful. This is my personal opinion but Im slightly weary of buying a power plant out of someones' backyard ' u mghandiex problemi cos its a 200'. That just doesnt cut it anymore! Delve deeper - is this a dealer who buys plenty of engines? (as in does he have a reputation for selling tired ones?). Is it from a non dealer individual? if yes where did it come from? - upgrade ? (unlikely) or change to V8? or taken out cos kienet qed tishon. In a nutshell do as much of your homework as possible. Stories of good engines Ive heard, stores of bad engines Ive heard and stories of 'not so genuinely acquired from the Uk' Ive heard as well. Look into it! - its your folding stuff.

Someone mentioned the 2.5 Td -ahhhh this one always comes up in practically every forum. Well, if I am to buy a 90 I would PREFERABLY look for a NA or 200 but having said that as someone said it all boils down to the particular engine. Once again, it all depends on luck as well. Some have made their owners cry, but dont tell that to friends of mine who have 2.5td but never gave them a problem. This could be because the engine was already problematic in the Uk 5 yrs down the line and so had its bits changed or because its a genuinely good 'un. Who knows ? - how long is a piece of string anyway. What one can do is the obvious engine checks prior to acquisition - compression etc etc. But if something is to go wrong the next week, oh well!!! -

What else....ah yes engine torque. ITs true, there are many offroad situations where a 2.3 will get you through. However, sooner or later, you will need some grunt which you wont have. In some scenarios, billi taqlala l-hara will resolve your problem but what happens when even that is not enough. To go up the hill you'll need a long rankatura but what happens when there is no space for this?....when u need torque at standstill , then there is a small probem. But for whoever has a 2.3 and 2.5, enjoy them as they are part of growing up heheh.....then get a Tdi. Perhaps in 20 years time, the tdi wont do anymore for us and ..........wateva.

All this reminds me of my first ever greenlaning session with a Series Land Rover a week after I bought it.....it just wouldnt go up, no matter what I tried. So much so, that the hill got named after me, that is until I got my first 90 a year after. This is almost a decade ago but im sure one or two ppl in here know exactly what Im talking about.......right guys??

Keep Well....
Kilin

[joe019]

Hi,

Everyone seems to be afraid of having to do with the TD engine. The TD engine is basically a beefed up version of the 2.5 NA engine (which in turn is a 2.3 based engine) The facts are that these engines need a bit of care. Also in 2005 such engines are quite old and have covered huge mileage in god only knows what conditions.

From my personal experience, I can say that the engine is a wonderful power unit which behaves great if not ill-treated. For example if not pushed hard, the temperature will always stay underneath the normal level etc etc...

Regards
Joseph

[Reiny]

I remember that hill all too well Kilin!

Nice Landy you've got there Joe. I liked it a lot. However, I really must go out of point here. Even though I enjoyed having you around last Saturday, I didn't really enjoy picking up the garbage you left behind.

[theBaptist]

jeeeeez another guy leaving his rubbish behind for others to clean ??? :frown2:

[tdi200]

What a shame! good thing you pointed it out rien, keep up the good work!

Grem

[cil111]

iwa hehe Michael's Hill heheh that was a good laugh....

re the rubbish l ahwa... tan nejk eh... reiny's tent looked like he camped in the middle of a bloody skip... true you picked it up and put it in a bag imma u left the bag there and the damned wind blew everything around....

[landymaniac]

veru kien hemm il hmieg. imlejt 2 garbage bags zibel jien:( . darb ohra ingib tank ghal garbage mieghi imbad narmi t tank;) PS: IT WAS NOT STEPHANIE'S BIRTHDAY..........SHE FINISHED UNIVERSITY:rolleyes:

[tdi200]

veru kien hemm il hmieg. imlejt 2 garbage bags zibel jien:( . darb ohra ingib tank ghal garbage mieghi imbad narmi t tank;) PS: IT WAS NOT STEPHANIE'S BIRTHDAY..........SHE FINISHED UNIVERSITY:rolleyes:

If you do take a tank take it back up with you as you said. If i find the tank there with rubbish i know who it was who left it there. So hopefully in conclusion of this litter subject please TAKE ALL THE RUBBISH YOU PRODUCED BACK UP WITH YOU! I cannot stress this point more then that!

Remember that we have another 3 months using that place as our beach, please keep it clean.

Grem

[dborg01]

Hey guys, I don't wanna take the 'garbage' issue further. I'm sure that those who camped there found a mess or otherwise they wouldn't have 'complained' but I believe it was someone's mistake rather than neglect. Like Landymaniac said, if someone forgot a garbage bag, with all that wind it would easily scatter. After all most guys who where there are regulars to our 'meetings' and so far we never left any rubbish behind.

In any case, before we take this further I think that whoever did this and reads this forum has already taken the point and will not repeat it and if he doesn't read the forums I'm sure he'll follow our example next time around!!!

In the meantim, even though I arrived a little late and couldn't see most faces, it was still fun and enjoyable!! Thanks for organising it Steve:)

Cheers guys........see ya sooon;)

Daniel

[tdi200]

if someone forgot a garbage bag

Not a valid excuse for me, sorry! How can you forget?

Grem

[theBaptist]

Not a valid excuse for me, sorry! How can you forget?

Grem


agreed. and this doesnt apply only to that place but everywhere. our countryside is suffering because people find it 'convenient to forget' .....

[buzz]

I agree also,after all all it needs it a quick check under the lightsof the vehicle before leaving. You carried it there you carry it back out, simple. :p

[dborg01]

Hey come on guys.........are you saying that you will not tolerate a mistake?!?! :(

None of us ever did such a thing before and we've been to that place countless times....it's clearly a simple mistake.......after all it was also dark - though I agree with you - no excuses :rolleyes: !!!!

Hey...do we really have to take this issue any further or do I have to continue begging for some some tolerance??!? Chill out:chillpill

......after all the more pressure you're gonna make on the poor ******* who did it the worse you're gonna make it:grab::Crucify:don't you agree?

........point taken - no more rubbish and garbage bags left behind - next time make sure you dump it in a landy or in a skip if you manage to make any difference :p :razz:

......and, no, it wasn't me who left it there :angel3::itwasntme

Daniel

[joe019]

To go a bit out of topic, I think you're making things far larger than they are. I will say it only once... It was my mistake to forget that bag there. It measured some 12 inch by 10 inches.... and compacted and ready to put in my landy. I myself hate ppl who leave things behind. This does not exclude me and am not justifying myself. I am to blame. I also left a mud flap behind and no one mentioned it... Ahseb u ara kieku hallejt xi hames liri lol :)

Sorry guys for leaving that bag there.... wont happen again.

Joseph

[Kilin]

Mahfur u lest.....it wont be mentioned again! (apart from once below)


Another thing....since you even know the dimensions of your thrash, can you specify the dimensions of the mud flap you left behind you?....cos incidentally i need one :-)


k

[joe019]

Nice one :) !! The mud flap was an ugly one.... not landrover branded.. probably it is still there cause no one would pick up such a thing.

now a serious question... In malta do we really need mud flaps? I heard from another landy owner (nighthawk.. can I quote?) that mud flaps are not required on a commercial vehicle under 3 tonnes. Is this true? I think my landy looks cooler without the granny style flaps (and also would spare some cash not buying mudflaps)

Thanks
Joseph.


Another thing....since you even know the dimensions of your thrash, can you specify the dimensions of the mud flap you left behind you?....cos incidentally i need one :-)
k

[theBaptist]

mudflaps are not required for 'civil' landies (tat twieqi u Lm150licenzja) ..... as far as i know you are correct in stating that they are also not required by law on commercial vehicles under a certain weight but try to explain that to a warden li ma hallitux il mara il lejl ta qabel (jew xi warden mara qisa transexual frustrata) ........ these people you cannot argue with u jkollok toqghod titla l-qorti bhac cuc to prove your case. :rolleyes:

so mud flaps stay on my landy ;)

[olo]

yea i agree, u end up loosin the Lm20 fine (if its Lm20) on the time off you take from work to just go to court to fight for the case.

[landymaniac]

dear joe:D

when i removed mine i used to get a ticket of lm20 everey 24hrs(each morning i went to school) which i did not want to pay and doubled the price:(

besides that mud flaps are there to protect the vehicle behind you and the road from mud, small stones and other objects. i personal like mud flaps and extended them about 2.5cm outside the body to protect it from dirt and also fitted a pair at the front. Important thing is not to make them too long because when greenlaning/offroading you will not find them anymore:yikes:

[Reiny]

There's a very simple solution to that. Cut a couple of very small slits into each mudflap, keep a packet of cable ties in the vehicle and tie the mudflaps to the bumperettes before you go offroad.

[olo]

There's a very simple solution to that. Cut a couple of very small slits into each mudflap, keep a packet of cable ties in the vehicle and tie the mudflaps to the bumperettes before you go offroad.
wicked idea :)

personally i like the mudflaps, tdi 300 can vouch for that, coz when i had my tyres dirty, they were the ones that limited big time how much stuff flew off my tyres backwards. the disadvantage i found was that when hittin the mudflaps mud was bouncing off and flying sideways :/

[Reiny]

I'd rather have stuff boucing off and flying sideways rather than flying straight back into a following car causing untold damage!

May I suggest something else? When you tie your mudflaps to your bumperettes, tighten the cable ties as much as possible to restrict movement, otherwise you may tear your mudflaps. And use two cable ties instead of one to reduce the risk of tearing them further. I personally don't like mudflaps much but if I must have them, I'd rather have them whole rather than torn. Torn mudflaps make the rear end of your vehicle look so shabby.

[joe019]

Yeah I agree that they protect the persons driving behind you.

A landy does not have double wheels at the back but still on some occasions the rear wheels pick up gravel and shoot it upwards towards the body... The sound it makes makes me think that something must have snapped off.... So immagine if that gravel hits some poor guy behind you!

I'd rather have stuff boucing off and flying sideways rather than flying straight back into a following car causing untold damage!

[TheGurkha]

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