Does anybody know anything about this lane.?

[rustyveedub]

Hi,
Has anybody been along or know anything about this lane. starts at SO 187 333 and then goes up the mountain past Grwyne Fawr reservoir.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=319650&y=233150&z=3&sv=319650,233150&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=798

[antshybrid]

thats called brown trouser hill mate. its been down graded and think its got a TRO on it. used to be a very good lane. :(

[rustyveedub]

Do you know when it was TRO'ed?

[TheGurkha]

Do you know when it was TRO'ed?

Makes little difference if it has been downgraded :(

[ROB 110 HICAP]

It has a tro applicable only to 4x4s, bikes can ride it freely. The reason is it has the most awesome rock step on a hairpin, with a steep drop off to one side! You can ride it feet up on a bike if you do a 'wall of death' along the rocky side of the hairpin and aim for an 8" wide smaller step. Other than that its you and your mates hauling the bikes up one at a time.

So you are now half way up, followed by 300 yards of steep boulders. Once on the top catch your breath, take in the view and head across the plateau of bogs towards the reservoir.

4x4s going up would have to reverse down from a failed attempt on the hairpin and going down would probably cause you to overshoot the hairpin and go down the gulley, dying in the process.......

Out of interest most of the lanes round there are not passable by 4x4.

[rustyveedub]

has the most awesome rock step on a hairpin, with a steep drop off to one side!


4x4s going up would have to reverse down from a failed attempt on the hairpin and going down would probably cause you to overshoot the hairpin and go down the gulley, dying in the process.......

Out of interest most of the lanes round there are not passable by 4x4.

What this one

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/rustyveedub/brecon042.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/rustyveedub/brecon043.jpg

[antshybrid]

there was a certain off road instructor(well known) who took a group of corporate types on an off road day in 110's when they first came out. coming down one overshot and rolled. the air ambulance was very busy that day :( noone died thankfully but it brought unnecessary publicity to the lane. if you dig back into your old off road and 4 wheel drive mags that lane used to be used regularly.

[series 3]

i know i shouldnt comment on another mans wife/girlfriend but she looks quite tasty in the second pic ;) :D

[jjsaul]

What this one
did they get that trooper up there or did they turn round???

[rustyveedub]

That Trooper got up there.

Not that its my old Trooper, Me taking the photos, or My girlfriend ;) and its obviously taken before the lane was TRO'ed ;)

[ROB 110 HICAP]

That is the one Rusty. Well done for getting up, it would be impossible in wet conditions.

I have to say that lane has had the no 4x4 tro on it for at least 8 years. I can see from the photo that there is sheep fencing alongside the edge in the first photo that was put up about 2 years ago. At each end of the lane are permanent highways road signs stating no vehicular access 'except motorcycles and sidecars'. You would be very blind to miss them.

As this lane is in the Brecon Beacons National Park, there are many park rangers driving around in Landys asking 'offroaders' where they are going, have they got an os map etc in a polite manner. There are loads of problems of illegal riding of dirtbikes and 4x4s in the park, you can be liable to £1000 fine if you are caught and convicted.

We've got a crap reputation with our hobby anyway, what you have done in a national park doesn't help. I'm sure many people on here have 'strayed' offroad illegaly, either knowingly or not, me included. If illegal use offroad continues, especially in 'sensitive areas', we will all suffer from lane closures, but clearly that is not going to affect you is it?

That lane is only half hour from where I live and I'd be gutted if it was closed, I hope you enjoyed your day out from 'Kiddie'.

[rustyveedub]

:eek: As i have stated its not me. Oh and i know when the fence was put up because i did it. :)

[ROB 110 HICAP]

If you were up there as a fencing contractor or doing lane repairs, you would have had permission from someone, why not state that in your earlier post?

[rustyveedub]

As i have stated its not me i drive a Range rover. Oh and i know when the fence was put up because i did it and it was a lot more than 2 years ago. Hicap do you know why it was put up? :)

As for a day out from "Kidde" i have spent the best part of six years on and around the Beacons working.
So its time you got off your moral high horse. All i was asking for was some info on the lane. Thanks

[rustyveedub]

i know i shouldnt comment on another mans wife/girlfriend but she looks quite tasty in the second pic ;) :D
I will pass on your regards to Barry the bone crusher. :D

[ROB 110 HICAP]

As i have stated its not me i drive a Range rover. Oh and i know when the fence was put up because i did it and it was a lot more than 2 years ago. Hicap do you know why it was put up? :)

As for a day out from "Kidde" i have spent the best part of six years on and around the Beacons working.
So its time you got off your moral high horse. All i was asking for was some info on the lane. Thanks

Ok this website got into some 'issues' a year or so ago because someone running the site was contacted about people illegally driving offroad in the Lakes, apparently members from this site. It caused a split in forum members and another site being set up elswhere. I'm concerned about photos of people illegally offroad causing problems for the site, or illegal use being applauded in the public domain and then being used against us by the National park or Ramblers Asoc etc.

Your posts can be seen as cocky: 'look at this photo' ,'by the way its not me haha'. Plus you know the vehicle got up there and whose it is. It is obvious you know when it was taken and I may be mistaken on when the fencing went up, perhaps it was sometime between 1999- 2003, (when was foot and mouth?) but not that it really matters, as the lane has been tro'd to 4x4 for years before that, and the person in the photo has been up there since the tro.

If you had wanted info on the lane, would it not be better to say you've worked up there and wondered about it, as other people may know about the work you did. I made a snipe about you coming from Kiddie to tear up the lane illegaly, but was only making an observation from your profile.

Climbing down from moral high ground.

[rustyveedub]

What is this other site full of the outlaws of the off road world.? (Just making sure im not on it)

As for the photos is will remove them so that very narrow minded people can not get the wrong end of the stick and use them against the off road world.

As for being "cocky" i have worked/lived on the Beacons for six years on and off. and knew about most people/things what were going on around the area and have many many photos of it.

You were the person describing this near impossible to climb hairpin that involved the word death and was not open to 4x4's but it was okay to ride on a bike, who is the "Cocky" one. I was mearly pointing out the fact that it was not that tricky if an old battered LWB Trooper on road road tyres with no mods could do it. or is that down to the driver?

Of course i know when/who/how the photo was taken. But that does not mean that it was unlawful, you are the one assuming that. The local farmers in the area use that track on a regular basis. They lead a simple life and rely on the hills to graze their sheep. They do not care about road closures in the back end of no where and not really bothered about who else uses them as long as it doesnt bother their sheep. Just a bit of back ground on the area. But of course Hicap you would know that living half an hour away and me being just a "Kiddie lad".
I hope this has made the point and enough said, dont be to quick to jump on the moral high horse without getting the facts straight!!!

[ROB 110 HICAP]

At the bottom of thet lane i have once been asked by a ranger if I knew where I was and about illegal riding. and a second time watched from a couple of hundred yards by another ranger, I guess to make sure I'm sticking to the right track.

Farmers/land owners have free access to land they use regardless of right of way status, which is fine. They do not however often pose for photos halfway up hillsides with girlfriends and what looks like plastic picnic coolers on the back seat of their vehicles, or do sheep like their sandwiches chilled?

As you are removing the photos you must be conceding that the image that the photos portray of 4x4 users is not a good one. Great that the Trooper made it up on road tyres in the dry and your mate is a driving god. I have seen lots of bikes struggle up there in the past in wet conditions, but at least they had a legal right to be there.

Sorry to accuse you of being a Kiddie boy having a day out driving illegally, but if I have drawn that conclusion, others out there may easily have done the same.

I clearly come across as a ****** from Herefordshire who has ridden his dirtbike up and down there loads of times but knows nothing of the area and whose opinion is not wanted, even though it was an open thread asking for information on a lane, to which I gave in my opinion.

You still do not say why you asked about the lane or what your work was in the area. You could have been an anti4x4 trying to find out information regarding illegal use of this lane, in order to have it closed, using a picture you had obtained somewhere. But that is just another opinion someone could have had from reading this thread, as the facts you provided were sketchy.

[ROB 110 HICAP]

Other site for your info: http://p078.ezboard.com/**************

[Newsreader]

OK guys I've read and re-read this thread and I still can't make head nor tail of it ... :rolleyes: rustyveedub, I'm puzzled. If you know this area and this lane so well, why you are asking for info about it, when it was TRO'ed etc? :Idunno:

[rustyveedub]

At the bottom of thet lane i have once been asked by a ranger if I knew where I was and about illegal riding. and a second time watched from a couple of hundred yards by another ranger, I guess to make sure I'm sticking to the right track.

Farmers/land owners have free access to land they use regardless of right of way status, which is fine. They do not however often pose for photos halfway up hillsides with girlfriends and what looks like plastic picnic coolers on the back seat of their vehicles, or do sheep like their sandwiches chilled?

As you are removing the photos you must be conceding that the image that the photos portray of 4x4 users is not a good one. Great that the Trooper made it up on road tyres in the dry and your mate is a driving god. I have seen lots of bikes struggle up there in the past in wet conditions, but at least they had a legal right to be there.

Sorry to accuse you of being a Kiddie boy having a day out driving illegally, but if I have drawn that conclusion, others out there may easily have done the same.

I clearly come across as a ****** from Herefordshire who has ridden his dirtbike up and down there loads of times but knows nothing of the area and whose opinion is not wanted, even though it was an open thread asking for information on a lane, to which I gave in my opinion.

You still do not say why you asked about the lane or what your work was in the area. You could have been an anti4x4 trying to find out information regarding illegal use of this lane, in order to have it closed, using a picture you had obtained somewhere. But that is just another opinion someone could have had from reading this thread, as the facts you provided were sketchy.

Did you know about all of the soldiers/vets/slaughter men/police/farmers on the hills at that time of the Foot and mouth out break? Because im guessing you were not one of them. It was not unlawful to be on that track at that time if you were one of those people (Very hard/hot/distressing work).

Being a responsable off roader, i would not want the photos to be used by an anti 4x4 group and thats why they have been removed.
Thanks for your input.

[rustyveedub]

Other site for your info: http://p078.ezboard.com/**************

Cant get it to work, but im sure ive never been on it.

[rustyveedub]

OK guys I've read and re-read this thread and I still can't make head nor tail of it ... :rolleyes: rustyveedub, I'm puzzled. If you know this area and this lane so well, why you are asking for info about it, when it was TRO'ed etc? :Idunno:
I have driven this lane a few times lawfully (Very good lane) in my previous profession. Now i have left that profession i would like to know the current state of the lane to see if it was possible now, which it is obviously not :(

[Newsreader]

I have driven this lane a few times lawfully (Very good lane) in my previous profession. Now i have left that profession i would like to know the current state of the lane to see if it was possible now, which it is obviously not :(
Fair enough :) Might have been clearer to everyone to have said that at the start. If you look back at the thread it did seem a bit odd the way the photos and your knokwledge of the area trickled out ... never mind.

[rustyveedub]

Fair enough :) Might have been clearer to everyone to have said that at the start. If you look back at the thread it did seem a bit odd the way the photos and your knokwledge of the area trickled out ... never mind.
All i wanted was some info on the lane. Then people run for the moral high ground. So i have to let a bit more information out than i wished to do just to not look bad.

[Pete H]

All i wanted was some info on the lane.


Then why didnt you ask(or maybe you did) about the lane at the Glass meeting you recently attened?
or did know one there know the lane status?

[rustyveedub]

Then why didnt you ask(or maybe you did) about the lane at the Glass meeting you recently attened?
or did know one there know the lane status?

Because i asked on here before i attended. I am not allowed :confused:

But still this post has got me closer to the 2500 points i need to make my name glow :D

[Pete H]

Because i asked on here before i attended. I am not allowed :confused:

Yea,but i still canna work out why this thread is/was so drawn out? :rolleyes:
After all,you asked the same question on another forum and you got the same answer..

Did you look on Wayfinder?

And please tell,whats the idea with posting pics,and then withdrawing them?.
That part of the thread has me very confused,but then that aint difficult :D

No offence mate just curious....

[rustyveedub]

:bigwave: :bigwave: :bigwave:

[ROB 110 HICAP]

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And please tell,whats the idea with posting pics,and then withdrawing them?.
That part of the thread has me very confused,but then that aint difficult :D

No offence mate just curious....

Pete the pics showed a Trooper stationary half up/half off the big rock step of aforementioned TRO'd lane. I didn't think this was the best way of advertising our 'sport/hobby'.

If rusty had said it was taken apparently legally while working/accessing the land for foot and mouth control/treatment then no one would be confused or me getting all stroppy. Sorry if anyone is p*ssed off with me.

See you rusty?